Second-Generation Identity Card
By Jian Shuo Wang on 2006-07-15 23:56 · GovernmentSecond-generationl Identity Card - the National ID card.
I finally took pictures at the Security Office, to get my second generation ID card. I having used the plastic ID card for 10 years, since 1995, now I am forced to use the second-generation. I don’t like change, so I didn’t volunteer to get one, until recently. When we go to update my Kukou booklet, they printed out the booklet, but asked me to upgrade my ID card, otherwise, they will hold the Hukou book. Today, after paying 20 RMB for taking pictures, and I got my Hukou book.
My new ID will be ready after 60 days. As an IT industry professional, I don’t understand why it takes so long to get a card. However, it is one of the key advantage to upgrade to the second generation card that the processing and manufacturing time has been reduced from 90 days to 60 days.
The new card will have contact-less IC card embedded in it, so it can be ready by computer system. Waiting to see what will happen after 60 days.
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http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/20041216.htm
I had gotten my second generation id card at several mouths age, I found the quality of printing was too bad, the printed titles & contents was tilted, I live in guangzhou.
I had gotten my second generation id card at several mouths age, I found the quality of printing was too bad, the printed titles & words was tilted, I live in guangzhou.
A bit offtopic but it is something I was wondering about earlier. Jian Shuo, isn't it possible to make a user registration part on your website and still keeping the current system as well for comment posting? The registration part could be used for things like editting your own comments and such..
I have had it a few times that I saw weird typos from my own and that I wanted to edit them, but there is no possibility for it atm.
And when you also keep the comment posting as it is now, next to the registrational part, it wont scare users away either.
Btw, 2nd generation? why not just put it as new version? 2nd generation sounds like referring to massive people, like the Generation X or Y. :)
Guess again... in Holland you have to pay 32.50 euro for an id card, about 325 Yuan.. :/
Wait another 15 days. ^_^
That's my fate.
1. Number of links. If there are too many links in the post, it treat it as a spam. Typically, spam comments contains 10+ links
2. Repeated post - if post comments very frequently with very short interval.
3. Post from IP that is recorded in international spam organizations. It queries the public database to see if the IP posting the comments was blocked by majority of sites.
Any of the reasons may trigger the anti-spam engine.
I don't block any email, or people. I don't want to do that (although I reserve all rights to do what I think is good for the community of this site). If any comment is blocked, try to post it again. I am sorry that it may falsely blocked some comments, but compared to several thousand spam attempt to this blog everyday, I am pretty satisified with the result.
In the United States, there is always a fee, which varies by state. In the state of Pennsylvania, where I live now, the fee is $10 (about 68 yuan) the first time, and every time you renew it (about every 5 years, unless you change to a driving license, which costs more). In California, where I come from, it is $21 ($168 yuan), although you can get one for only $6 (48 yuan) if you can prove that you have a very low income.
Is there any country where there is no charge for the official ID? I think having to pay is more common than getting one for "free" from the government.
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My new driver license also has an IC embedded in it, when someone violate the traffic regulation, the traffic police only need to swipe the license against the mobile computer and the citation is printed right in front of the violator, that makes the police's and the violator's life much easier.
I think this is the purpose of issuing 2G ID card!????
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I did see your comment. However, it is my policy not to remove any comment on this blog, as long as it is legal, not spam and not meaningless. If there is any evidence about illegal, spaming, or comments that is not approperiate on this blog, please report to me by writing to me at jianshuo at hotmali dot com. No evidence, no removal.
To be honest, I have no idea about what Pesci is talking about. I didn't see anything in my post, or other's post before him/her that is related to this comment. Please correct me if it is wrong.
If people just came to the site and randly post something not related to the post itself, I will actively remove it. I call it spam.
If Pesci is talking something related to this entry (Second Generation ID card), and is saying something bad about another person, please give me some evidence so I can make decisions. Currently, I have no clue at all about what this is all about.
On Anti-Foreigner, or Pro-foreigner, I always use the rule set by Martin-Lurther King: people should be judged by their characters instead of anything else. I don't delete any post because it is posted by foreigners, Chinese, black, yellow. The only guideline is, it is the right or wrong comment. I won't delete any comments just because he/she is foreigner, or leave a comment there just because he/she is a foreigner.
For negative comments, I have many negative feedback on this blog (including myself). It think as long as he/she is telling the truth, it is OK. In most cases, I cannot tell who is telling the truth, so please debate on the thread instead of asking me to remove previous comment.
I hope it is clear now.
This is yet another example of Chinese blogs being used to post anti-foreigner remarks. China wants the foreign investment, but it doesn't want foreigners to actually be sucessful here. Its an increasing trend to post damaging remarks about foreigners on Chinese blogs and websites. Its a shame to see this blog being used to attack and libel foreign businessmen.
Wang you have an ethical decision to make here. It's hardly Chris's fault someone posts bad things about him. Probably a jealous competitor or ex-member of staff with a grudge. But if its libellous you should remove it if you are asked to, not claim 'freedom of speech'. He happens to be a well known and well respected businessman here with a large consulting firm and publishing company. Hes been in China a long time and employs a lot of Chinese. As far as I understand he is a lawyer but his firm actually deals in foreign investment tax matters. I've attended several of his conferences. Basically a guy that is good for China. So are you going to support him or support Pescis comments?
What you do affects how people view your blog as being anti-foreign or not. "Freedom of speech" is not an excuse to sit back and do nothing when someone has been libelled on your website. Think about it.
He also writes a weekly business column for Beijing Review - the communist parties magazine.
Its too bad foreigners like him if they are attacked on this site I agree. Wang Jian Shou should be more reasonable.
"Pesci" posts under an assumed name not his own and disses a prominent foreigner businessman here. What do we know about Pesci ? Nothing. What do we know about the person he libelled? Plenty. Pretty much most of which shows up Pescis comments to have been nothing but deliberate trash talk. If "Pesci" had the balls to tell us who HE really is then it might get interesting to find out the REAL motive behind his comments.
You can't trust people posting here under assumed names when they attack real life individuals. Pleased to see common sense returning to this blog.
Keep up the good work Devonshire Ellis and don't let the jealous assholes elsewhere in China get you down. If anyone deserves a medal for his work in China promotions and international trade it is this guy.
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Thanks Jianshuo.. its one of the traits of character that makes your blog good.
I think you caught in the middle of this persons internet campaign and the debunkers who follow him. It is played on a few other sites.
It's shameful and totally unnecessary.
The pathetic things some people do to amuse themselves. Honestly - why is this sort of stupid comment on this blog? Isn't there someone here to check against this sort of rubbish being posted on Chinese blogs? It's idiotic and stupid and almost certainly slandering other people. Whoeever owns this site - your doing yourself no favors by having comments like this on your blog.
The Downside Of China - Immaturity Online
April 24th, 2007 - by Chris Devonshire-Ellis
There are two sides, as always to the on-going debate over censorship in China and the right to access the worldwideweb. Blogging in China has also taken on huge proportions - literally hundreds of millions of people out there commenting. Microsoft, Google and Yahoo have all had to bow to pressure from the Chinese government, when agreeing to ban threads or posts upon request or containing offensive material. It seems draconian in todays more liberal China, and perhaps unnecessary. However, consider the alternatives; in a one party state, mass communication can be incited and lead to riots not in the interest of the Chinese nation long term. Are indeed, the Chinese ready for such freedoms of expression ?
I can speak first hand on my experience. Regrettably in China, one occasionally has to deal with legal issues that crop up from time to time. With a business to protect, staff welfare to consider, and clients to look after, I have responsibilities to look after my business. Yet what has occured when I have had to issue legal proceedings against copyright infringements to protect my "China Briefing" brand against a local Shanghai company trying it on ? Yes, comments such as "If you fight us we will declare war and have this case all over the Chinese media in a bad way". Which is exactly what has happened. No due process, no recognition of the law - just a shot gun approach that what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine too, and stuff any legal procedures designed to solve disputes. I'll slander you if you try and take your property back.
It's not just been resigned to the odd trademark or copyright dispute either. One small, foreign owned consulting firm has apparently taken it upon themselves to blame all their legal troubles on me - sued by their employees for non payment of salary, apparently all their woes stem from the fact they view my practice as a competing firm. The result ? Blogs and forum postings on various China blogs and social commentary websites that libel both myself and my businesses.
There are even attempts to justify it. Posted after libellous statements appeared on a Chinese blog run by a Mr. Wang Jian Shuo, justification not to remove such comments as follows:
" I always use the rule set by Martin-Lurther King: people should be judged by their characters instead of anything else. I don't delete any post because it is posted by foreigners, Chinese, black, yellow. The only guideline is, it is the right or wrong comment. I won't delete any comments just because he/she is foreigner, or leave a comment there just because he/she is a foreigner."
Apparently it's OK to libel 'foreigners' and not remove offensive posts about them because, well, this is China, it's a Chinese blog, and they are 'foreigners'. So thats all right then. One rule for China, another for everyone else in the blogosphere.
While most of the sites that run such comments have complied and removed any offensive remarks, I must admit I am concerned about some of the world wide web and Chinese participation issues. For sure, blogging seems to be an accepted route whereby if you don't like someone or something, well, you can just libel them. Or if you have a dispute with someones business, well, hell, just go ahead and post lies and try and inflict damage online. People hide behind identities and post what they want. Or, in my case, the story that I am apparently such an ego-maniac that, in the Long Bar, a group of people, when my "China Briefing" magazine appears, bet drinks on how many times my photo appears - ridiculing both myself and my business. That comment actually I find pretty funny (my photo has appeared once in each issue in the introductory section the last 11 months, although the May China Briefing sees an addtional six of me with various Chinese Ministers - so get those bets in quickly). Thats OK, and I find it mildly amusing. What is not OK is to then go on and tell lies about my business and personal life in the same piece. It's libel, it's immature, and it says a lot about why the Chinese government are so concerned about blogging. Maybe they know the Chinese people well, and that in 2007 they are not actually ready yet for full online exposure to the world wide web.
From my experiences, when blogging in China is used to defame other competing businesses, people you don't like, and to threaten "an online war" if involved in seeking copyright protection from brands that are being infringed by Chinese companies and individuals, maybe, just maybe, the Chinese government is right.
For people such as "AllKnowingEye", "Mary Lou Chen", "Henry Chinaski", and others - the damage you do in libelling people online is holding your own country back years in online freedoms. You can libel me, to be frank I doubt it would make much difference to my business - but in acting the way you do you cause damage to the governments abilities to give up more freedoms, inhibits your own lives, and I find that rather sad.
Rather good comments on the situation. The answer has to be self moderation or sites like this are screwed.