Xiangyang Marketing will be Shutdown?

On the Shanghai Airlines flight from Shanghai to Beijing, I read the news on Shanghai Morning Post that Xiangyang Marketing will be shutdown soon.

I have a mixed feeling of the news.

Due to Fake Goods

According to the news, the reason to shutdown the market is because of too many fake goods in the market. 8 of 10 complain received on counterfeit goods are reported to be happen in Xiangyang Marketing, the commercial department said.

It is absolutely reasonable number. Just go there and see how many people approaches you and ask you whether you want LV bags or Rolex watches and anyone knows how serious the problem is.

Shutdown?

I have the mixed feeling of the market. It is the place for me to go buy some really goods stuff. I don’t care about brand too much, and I specially feel bad to wear something you know it is fake. However, many stores really sell good goods (with unknown brand) at very reasonable price. I don’t know where to go after it is shutdown. Department stores are too expensive and too few choices, and other bargine markets are not as fashionable.

However, the problem of the counterfeit goods are so obvious and many people to go there just to buy “Rolex” watches for 100 RMB or LV bags for 80 RMB.

Overall, I welcome the news. It is the first step to regulare the market. They are doing the right thing.

33 Comments

  1. wang, your english is rather poor!

  2. What so wrong with Xiangyang Market?

    Anybody been to Times Square in New York can tell you the place is flooded with vendors selling faked goods same as Xiangyang Market. Any complain will turn to a deaf ear.

  3. Most likely, the sellers of fake goods will just move to a new location, or find a different way to sell, so will the shutdown be effective?

  4. huh?? Stephen when was the last time you were in Times Square? 20 years ago?? I have rarely seend any fake goods in Time Square. You might have irritating vendors hawking their cheap products every now and probably you will be able to find counterfeit goods somewhere in nyc but times square flooded with fake goods? Thats a joke.

  5. huh?? Stephen when was the last time you were in Times Square? 20 years ago?? I have rarely seen any fake goods in Time Square. You might have irritating vendors hawking their cheap products every now and then, and probably you will be able to find counterfeit goods somewhere in nyc but times square flooded with fake goods? Thats a joke.

  6. Probably the landlords of Xiangyang market will close down and build a large new building to rent to the previous and new vendors. This is what they did in Beijing for the Silk Alley/Street with much success.

  7. 佚名, his English is far better than my Chinese, French, Spanish, Italian, or any other second language. I’m actually rather impressed with his progress.

  8. I applaud Jian Shuo for having the courage to write his blog in English even though that is his second language and he has never lived in an English-speaking country. Doing so enables folks like me (who cannot read Chinese) to get these great tidbits of information on China.

  9. It is a shame to rate this as “one of the best blogs”! To my knowledge, there are many better Shanghai blogs (in English) . Here, I just want to mention one updated on a daily basis:

    http://spaces.msn.com/members/sevencastles

    Seven Castles (A Shanghai blog featuring news and views of great interest)

  10. Young man, be humble:)

  11. Yogo, have some manners and show some respect when you visit a community like this. The blogger (Jiang Shuo) has put in a lot of effort and passion to write his blog. I went to your Seven Castles blog and you know what is the biggest problem with it? It has absolutely no frigging personality and is dry and read like a brochure. The blogger didn’t even have the guts to put something on the profile page.

    You are the one who should be “shameful” for your rudeness

  12. What’s wrong with the poor PC that produced distorted images and misprints (check the names the junk spelt)?

    It takes me lots of time to go through all the entries in Seven Castles. PC should be disappointed in the fact that the owner of Seven Castles did reveal lots of the personal info here and there!

    To those who are interested in Shanghai, Seven Castles is highly recommended. You can also go to China Blog List (Shanghai) http://www.chinabloglist.org/list.php?category=0&geo=40&orderby=0&perpage=10&action=updatefilter

    that includes Seven Castles, WJS and many others for a comparative study.

  13. Seven Castles does have a lot of interesting info but it’s very impersonal. Also, I don’t need to go to a Chinese blog to learn “Sharon in serious condition after surgery to stop bleeding in brain” (Item #5 from Jan. 7 Highlights).

  14. Well, Mark, shall we have a discussion here?

    I found the owner of Seven Castles reveals his personality but does not give away his privacy. Some people sell their privacy on the Internet, but I don’t think it’s appropriate. A good example is that WJS changed his way and left out most of his personal info in this place. Ask him why!!!

    As for the item of “Sharon in serious condition after surgery to stop bleeding in brain” that you are not interested in, I believe Seven Castles has his reason to choose it from many international news he gets. You were overcritical for that, as you see it is difficult to cater for all tastes. Just enjoy what you are interested in!

  15. well said Yoyo, exactly, if you are not interested in what WSJ says, then don’t read it and get out of here and go enjoy Seven Castles.

  16. Thanks everyone for your discussion here, especially everyone who tried to clarify the propose of a blog and the difference between a blog and a newspaper. I typically don’t jump into discussion about my “poor English”, or the guidelines to choose a topic. :-)

    It is so common for people with different point-of-views and different background, different hobbies to gather at the same blog, and people don’t neccessarily agree with each other. It is especially so when there are much more than 10,000 people from different places coming to the same site. I am overwhelmed about the wonderful guests I have here. I am used to it. Only when someone firmly believe in diversity of views and value the point-of-view of only one person (this include himself), he is the courage to stand up about whatever he believes is right, and try to learn more. No one is perfect and no one understand all. This gives me a lot of courage to share because when you prepare to accept the fact that you may say something wrong when looking back after several years, I dare to write something. So be peace. Don’t get annoyed by any comment. It is just the fact of the nature.

  17. 作者:liuzhou 2005-09-19 04:42:14)

    中秋节闲话

    今天下午去了一次福州路,在上海书城、外文书店以及古籍书店分别购书若干,消费了近两千元,我不是一个富有的人,经常晚饭吃几元钱的拉面,但在购书上却绝不小气。但见马路上别人是手拎月饼盒,我却是手拎两袋书,反差明显,此为有意思之一。

    上海书城四楼层面最里面的最左边是销售汉语类书籍,大致有”汉语听力”、”汉语写作”等等书籍,这个销售区域一直是顾客最少的地方,想想也是,有多少中国人会去购买类似”汉语听力训练”的书籍呢?(笑)但我却经常去这块地方看看,今日偶遇一女老外,想学中文,请教我购买何书为好,我推荐了北京大学出版社出版的《征服汉语语法》一书。本来学习汉语语法也属正道,但我推荐的这本书却有点内容质量上的问题,如果寄希望这本书能够学好汉语语法,那只有上帝保佑她天赋异禀了。外国人学不学得好汉语管我屁事?所以戏弄老外是我平生一大快事,用金圣叹的话来说,就是”不亦快哉”!用外国人的话来说就是:Ah,is this not happiness? (再笑)此为有意思之二。

    外国人说中文,或者写中文,我还没有见过一个学得好的。就算那个跟着姜昆学相声的大山,他的中文也是有问题的。这个就好比中国人学外文,或者写外文,基本上目前还活着的,能够让我敬佩的也不过十几位而已,其他的,一概等而下之。gre高分,雅思高分,或者其他外语考试高分,那只是低层次的英语好。就好比中国人写BLOG仿似遍地开花,但不能说我们中文都过关了。须知其中99%的中国人的中文写作是很差的,也就是一个”日记”的水准,不过倒也符合BLOG这个”网络日记”的称号。不信,你随便找个人问问,他写的中文里用了几个虚词?让他数,他也未必数得清。为此,我就在MSN询问了五个经常写BLOG的朋友,果然无一人知道。此为有意思之三。

    说起外语和BLOG,我不仅联想到外国人用中文写BLOG,我看过几个这样的BLOG,都不怎么样,如果要糊弄他们实在小菜一碟。但瞧在他们还算真诚的对待中文,也就罢了。我们再说中国人用英语写BLOG吧。我英语不好,所以平时不会去看英文BLOG,主要是看不懂。所以现在要我举例,我只能随便在Google上搜了一搜,正好发现一个BLOG,是一个中国人王什么硕先生(抱歉,名字没记住)用英文写的,下面我具体谈谈。

    这个BLOG看上去还挺有规模,全是密密麻麻的英文,看得我头晕,一个中国人能够这样自如的写英文,我的确蛮佩服的。最新的一篇英文BLOG好像是写一些叫出租车的技巧(抱歉,我英文不好,只能看个大概),原文在这里(http://home.wangjianshuo.com/archives/20050913_tips_to_get_a_taxi.htm)。但是我看了个大概,却觉得好像有点不对劲。为了叙述方便,我把他的原文第一段复制过来。

    王先生的原文:Taxi is becoming a headache in Shanghai. I remember about three years ago, taxi is abandon resource and I can hire a taxi easily – empty taxis are everywhere.

    我看的是英语吗?我不禁要这样问自己了。因为面对一个用英文写BLOG的中国人,我首先想到的是我自身的水平而不敢去怀疑王先生的水平。但是我觉得本着学习的态度,我还是应该把我的怀疑写出来,就算这个怀疑是错的,也很正常,因为我本来水平就差嘛。以下括号内为我的怀疑。

    Taxi is becoming a headache in Shanghai. I remember about three years ago, taxi is(是不是应该用was?) abandon(这个单词什么意思??是不是为abundant) resource and I can(是不是应该用could?) hire a taxi easily – empty taxis are(是不是应该用were?) everywhere.

    我想,这样的一个例子已经足够说明问题了,不用再分析下去了,因为王先生这篇英文BLOG起码还有20个左右的语法和时态上的错误,当然这是我个人的怀疑。我说过,我英文不好,也有可能是我的怀疑错了也不一定,还请看到这篇文章的英语高手和王先生指正。

    有时候我会瞎想,如果我们中国人写好一篇英文文章以后,请一个正宗的外国人帮我们检查一遍,那样是不是更保险呢?以前我曾经认为这样做很好,但现在我渐渐明白了,这样做于事无补!因为一个外国人最多只是帮我们修改语法时态上的错误,外国人不可能对文章的整个思维方式进行调整,否则就是他写而不是我写了。

    也许某些朋友对于英语的”肉”(单词/语法等)学的很好,但对英语的”骨”(思维方式)却还是中国的。

    那么,是不是当我们完全忘记了中文思维,而彻彻底底的用英文思维思考的时候,我们是不是达到了英语的最高境界了呢?有许多朋友认为是这样子的。但他们却错了!用英文思维思考,的确是学习英语的一个高境界,但还有比它更高的一个境界存在,那个境界才是真正的无敌于天下!至于那个境界是什么,我不说,因为我认为没有必要说,因为能够达到用英语思维思考,已经足够横行天下了!

    2005年9月18日 23:37

  18. Yoyo,

    what is your reason for ramdomly pasting something some anonymous guy has written last September (proper quoting normally includes the source aswell, but nah…)

    Are you jealous that so many people like this blog? Yes, Mr. Wang’s English sucks sometimes – so what? Perfect language skills isn’t everything in a blog. If you’re not satisfied with this blog, go ahead and write your own. And then deal with the punks who come along to whine about improper grammar.

    The thing is: people like this blog because it provides useful information about Shanghai, it provides an insight into the lives of people on the other side of the globe and so on. And not copied lists like “You Are Russian!”

    Also, I really don’t get the point of the article you’ve quoted: is he saying that if you can’t handle the “bone” of a language you shoudn’t use it in public? Quite interesting point for a globalized world in which learning a language is quite fundamental. He won’t allow foreigners to blog in Chinese, nor Chinese to blog in English. Whoah, that’s communication!

    After all, this is a lesson in democracy: people come here because they like this blog. If they thought that grammar was the most important thing on this site, they wouldn’t. Period.

    Go figure.

  19. Yoyo, you are either stupid or ignorance.

    This is a blog, personal things. You want to read it here fine, otherwise scram. If people says it is good it is excelent why you are so envious.

    As for language skill, hmm there are the so called Singlish (Singapore English), Indoglish (Indonesian English) and sure Chinglish.

    Even in England I found so many people do not speak the Queen’s English. Try to go to Scotland, Wales, deep west in England. Language is a dynamic things.

    For me what this blog communication is clear, that’s it, communication.

    I used it for informing friends and family visiting Shanghai on how it is in PVG airport or Hongqiao. They all said thank you.

    Get a life Yoyo.

  20. Teddy is right.

    Language is only a tool for communication.

    If most of us can catch what Jian Shuo means, it’s not a big deal if Jian Shuo can find time to do a spelling/grammar check before posting.

    All human being make mistakes.

  21. 也谈英文

    我的英语在中学的时候也没有学好,一般不敢讲英文.

    有天下午我乘火车,从上海到无锡,坐在我旁边有个老外.因为火车晚点20分,那个老外没有听懂中文提示,准备下车,旁边的两个年记大的中年人急了,一个劲的用中文劝她,车晚点了,现在还没有到.但是那位外国女士显然没有听懂.

    我看的万般无奈,只好用简单的英文向外国人说明,车晚点了,她听到我说英文,很高兴,问了很多问题,我一一解答,我想我的语法是一塌糊涂,全是一般现在时.

    但她还高兴的夸我英文好,天哪!还有外国人夸我.haha.

    我想

    Language is only a tool for communication.

    shirley

  22. haha, poor Seven Castles’s yoyo. try very hard to lure people there, but you try too hard, make me dont even have the interests to click your precious URL.

    May I suggest you move your blog here, and post it in comments, so maybe more people will read it :)

  23. Yoyo, I go ahead and look the Seven Castles blog. The blog is boring and the image is blur. Not sure what the blogger want to deliver. Think about it. Blogger is a very personal thing. Remember this.

  24. More about Xiangyang Marketing upcomg news

    News that Shanghai will close its biggest market for fake goods is a blow to thousands of foreign and domestic tourists – but a gold mine to the developer able to acquire one of the last major plots in the downtown commercial area.

    The site has attracted interest from many Hong Kong and overseas developers, including Sun Hung Kai Properties (SHKP) and Hutchison Whampoa. The land price will be more than two billion yuan.

    “Within two-three years, the rental of Ka Wah will reach US$1.50 to US$1.70 per square metre a day.” Over the road, the Ka Wah office building commands rents of US$1 per square metre per day, one of the highest in the city.

    The city’s National Business Daily reported on Friday that SHKP had reached a preliminary agreement with Wandu under which SHKP would be the prime developer and Wandu would have a shareholding of 20 to 40 per cent.

  25. Its obvious that this is just a tactic to buy time.

    Closing down Xiangyang market is purely a symbolic move to show that the government is serious about IPR violations.

    The reality of the situation is that it does not address the starting point which is the manufacture bases.

    All this is going to do is make small pockets of mini Xiangyang markets appear in different parts of town. In my opinion the effect will be to simply increase the number of places that you will easily find copied items.

    In fact I recently read an article to back that up where a DVD shop (pirate DVDs) is now selling designer handbags. The owner of the shop said its because Xiangyang market is shutting down – the article is here:

    http://madaboutshanghai.blogs.com/mad_about_shanghai/2006/01/xiangyang_marke_1.html

    I am sure that he is just one of the first, and over the coming weeks and months we will see more and more of these shops springing up all over town.

  26. Maybe. It may be symbolic. It is better than nothing.

  27. Yoyo, relaxe.

  28. Ha, fellows, quite agree with u, I don’t think that XY can be closed! That’s just impossible. Probably juridically – yes, but in fact – NEVER! Don’t get nervous, there always will be these pretty courteous men on the streets with irritating intentions to sell smth… By the way, I guess it’s quite a funny place & popular among expats, tourists & locals. It’s a fun right? Like a huge brand sale…

    One more thing: speaking about English here. Dear Yoyo, it’s such a stupid thing to blame smb for making language mistakes.

    quote: “我想,这样的一个例子已经足够说明问题了,不用再分析下去了,因为王先生这篇英文BLOG起码还有20个左右的语法和时态上的错误,当然这是我个人的怀疑。我说过,我英文不好,也有可能是我的怀疑错了也不一定,还请看到这篇文章的英语高手和王先生指正。

    有时候我会瞎想,如果我们中国人写好一篇英文文章以后,请一个正宗的外国人帮我们检查一遍,那样是不是更保险呢?以前我曾经认为这样做很好,但现在我渐渐明白了,这样做于事无补!因为一个外国人最多只是帮我们修改语法时态上的错误,外国人不可能对文章的整个思维方式进行调整,否则就是他写而不是我写了。

    也许某些朋友对于英语的”肉”(单词/语法等)学的很好,但对英语的”骨”(思维方式)却还是中国的。

    那么,是不是当我们完全忘记了中文思维,而彻彻底底的用英文思维思考的时候,我们是不是达到了英语的最高境界了呢?有许多朋友认为是这样子的。但他们却错了!用英文思维思考,的确是学习英语的一个高境界,但还有比它更高的一个境界存在,那个境界才是真正的无敌于天下!至于那个境界是什么,我不说,因为我认为没有必要说,因为能够达到用英语思维思考,已经足够横行天下了!”

    I found some mistakes in your native chinese too,ha ha though I’m a classical 老外 but anyway life is a constant process of self-developement & studying, right?

    For me this blog is interesting cause I can see chinese local’s point of view about 上海,& if he writes in English it only means that he’s eager to speak English well, to communicate with others widely – my respects.

    JianShuo, keep going!

    Everybody – thank you for reading my poor english too. :)

    Daria.

  29. Offical say it will be shutdown, but I thinks it’s only to satsify US in the international commerce for the fiber goodies export of China.

    Someone say there will be a new market in Longhua to provide to those shop which doesn’t sell fake goodies in Xiangyang Market. So I thinks actually it’s a”move”.

    And I think the main reason of it is Metro Line Construction.

    Xiangyang Market is a temp land since it open, Metro Line 10 and Line 12 will go through here and cross with Line 1 in the Plan.

  30. My friend and her husband want to drive home from Shanghai to spend Spring Festival(about 12 hours). Their hometown is in South Jiangxi, Gan Zhou. They sincerly want to invite a foreigner to share this traditional happy Chinese holiday. There is good view in country side in Jiangxi.

    If you are free and want to enjoy Chinese cultural Spring Festival, welcome and please contact with me: carriazhong@hotmail.com.

    English speaking is preferred.

  31. does anyone know when it will be shut down, we be in shanghai in two weeks?

    cheers…

  32. does anyone know when it will be shut down, we be in shanghai in two weeks?

    cheers…

  33. It won’t be shut down until May. Take your time.

    This is the first time that I’ve been here. It’s really interesting to read all the staff.

    Thank you Jianshuo!

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