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Believe it or not, this is only the second time I visit a Christian church in my life. 5 years ago, I have been to the church at the Chendu road. It was a Christmas and we rushed to a church just to feel what a Christian evening for Christmas is. It was silly to be there without knowing anything about Christian.

I know in western, most people believe in Christian. That is a major culture shock when people visit China, since the majority of people in China do not believe in God. Actually, people believe in nothing currently. There is a major problem in the current Chinese society because there is no common belief. People did have common believe before 1970's - the Party. The party was described as more powerful than the God - if you believe in party and show your believe in it, you will get peace. The theory sounds silly recently. However, the rule still lasts that people have religious belief are not permitted to join the Party.

The Shanghai Community Church is located at #53 Henshang Road. It is called Gui Ji Li Bai Tang in Chinese, which can be directly translated into English as International Church. It is one of my most favorite old houses in Shanghai. It was built in 1924.

I went there because my Mom went there this morning. She is a Christian. I drove them to the church before I returned the car to the Car Rental Club. After that, I found I don't have the key to my door. So I walked 40 minutes along my favorite Hua Shan Road, Huai Hai Rd. West and Heng Shan Rd. to the church. It was a very good experience to walk along these streets in the weekend morning - the Sun was so warm and the streets are clear with less traffic. If it were not to return the car, I will not get up that early since I will typically stay late - so I missed so many wonderful Shanghai morning already.

The Church

I heard there is religious service every Sunday at the church. According to other Christian's explaination, I went there today is not because of my own decision. It is because the God have chose me and guided me there. Wow. Seems reasonable.

The service starts on 7:30 for the first round and 10:00 AM for the second round. I believe it is a trade-off of traditional time-table and the demands of people. There are not many churches in Shanghai and there are so many Christian.

The church is a very nice one. It is the largest church in Shanghai. With the anthem, people pray before the God. It was a nice experience for me. I am very careful to comment anything related to religion. Although I claim not be believe in any religion, I do respect people who have their religious belief.

The Facial Mask

I notices a old woman sitting near me wore facial mask to come to church today. Later, I saw the second person wearing masks today. Does it mean that fear to SARS come back to the city again? Hope not.

Posted by Jian Shuo Wang at October 19, 2003 8:26 PM
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Comments

If you are interested in a true spiritual experience that incorporates all the world's old religions try www.sahajayoga.org - there are weekly meetings in Shanghai......good for your health too!

Posted by: julian (external link) on October 20, 2003 4:06 PM

Hi Jianshou

I don't know if I completely agree with the statment that majority of of Chinese don't believe in God. My grandmother was Catholic, and most of her friends were Catholics as well. They never practised openly, because the government did not allow it. It didn't mean they didn't believe. Also I think that there were and are many people who are Buddist. While there are many differences between Buddism and and Chistianity, there are also many similarites in the underlying concepts. I dont think China is a nation full of people with out spiritual believes.

Posted by: JL on October 21, 2003 1:08 AM

JL,

According to http://www.chinatranslate.net/china/ch-jiankuang/4zongjiaoyuxisu/zongjiaoxinyang.htm

Currently, there are 4 million Catholic and 10 million Christian. That is 0.3% and 0.7% of the total population of China. So from my perspective, I know two Christian at the place I work out of hundreds of people. So I declared that the majority (99%) of people in China don't believe in God.

THere is a heart-breaking history during the years in 1970's when it is absoluted forbidden to have any spritual believes except the Party. So the young generation like me are facing the big problem in the society that there is no common belief - the old one has crashed but the new one is not setup yet.

Posted by: Jian Shuo Wang (external link) on October 21, 2003 7:04 AM

what i like to talk here is not about the religion, which doubtless dose not belong to most chinese's belief.

I'd like to say something about the beautiful feeling: the early morning, the warm sunshine, the clean street, the church.

Thanks for recording the beautiful moments in our lives, and the incessant meditation.

(wow, we both libra + snake,resemblance!)

Posted by: sophie on October 21, 2003 10:14 AM

Yes. Sunny morning in a clean street is a very nice moment in life.

Posted by: Jian Shuo Wang (external link) on October 22, 2003 9:44 AM

A vast majority of Christians in mainland China refuse to join the government-operating 3-Self Church. Most of them worship God in underground churches secretly and illegally.

Posted by: Mainlander on October 25, 2003 12:00 AM

Are you sure? I never heard of this and don't think so.

Posted by: Jian Shuo Wang (external link) on October 25, 2003 9:25 PM

That's my personal experience. Before 18, I worshipped God in underground churches. At
http://www.christianmonitor.org/cpc/china.php
http://www.christianpersecution.info/persecution-china.html
http://www.chinahousechurch.org
http://www.ccchina.org/GenericStyles/Content_netpfc.asp?ID=6955&PaperID=0080
you may find some information about Christians in China. You IT guys will find out a way to visit these sites, I believe.

Posted by: Mainlander on October 26, 2003 5:32 AM

江苏取缔125处家庭教会
2003-11-20

香港消息:据此间的[中国人权民运信息中心]星期四报道,江苏省目前正在进行"治理基督教私设聚会点"专项运动,从7月份以来仅仅在宿迁市,溧水县和丹阳市三地就有125处家庭教会聚会点被当局查封取缔,至少使得3千名信教者不能再从事礼拜等活动。

[信息中心]表示,宿迁市,溧水县和丹阳市的民族宗教局已经证实他们取缔了许多聚会点。

Posted by: HC on November 23, 2003 12:14 AM

Poor...I'm one of those "underground" christians and also one of those 2 in Jianshuo's workplace. Actually Jianshuo, you hhave more than two christian workmates...

Mainlander, although what you said is the truth, but you'd better not mention it here because it's a personal website and no one wants to have political problems.

Jianshuo...if you want to know more about Christ, I'm very willing and open to you. Glad to know your mother as Christian.

Posted by: hippy (external link) on December 1, 2003 11:44 PM

May I know what is the best way to get to the Shanghai Community Church? My family and I will be visiting Shanghai soon. We will be staying in Yangtze Hotel near Nanjing Road.

Also, is there a bus from Pudong Airport to Nanjing Road?

Posted by: FK Chin on April 7, 2004 10:47 PM

Shanghai Community Church is near the Heng Shang Rd. Metro Station. So it is the best way. Regarding the bus from Pudong Airport to Nanjing Road, you can take the airport shuttle bus No 2 and take taxi (less than 10 RMB). http://www.wangjianshuo.com/personal/places/pudongairport/Bus.htm

Posted by: Jian Shuo Wang (external link) on April 8, 2004 11:08 AM

Hey I am currently in the US and am planning on going to Shanghai to teach English. I am a very strong Christian and would like to find a good "undergound" church to attend. If anyone can tell me where to find a church that would be great. Also, maybe some advice about being a CHristian in China and the challenges that might be involved. I am open to a lot of dialogue. So if you want to talk to me more personally, please let me know.

Posted by: Robin on May 13, 2004 9:05 AM

Yes, many Christians in China worship God in underground churches.

Posted by: Lu Heli on June 20, 2004 11:44 PM

Hi, Robin? Do you know the "underground" churches are illegal in China?

In addition, I'd like to share more experience with you.

Posted by: Robin (external link) on June 20, 2004 11:48 PM


Something wrong with the previous post.

Hi, Robin? Do you know the "underground" churches are illegal in China?

In addition, I'd like to share more experience with you.

Anyway, share experience with all of you.

Lu Heli

Posted by: Lu Heli on June 20, 2004 11:50 PM

hey, i'm an indonesian who want to go to shanghai to learn chinese langguage in jiao tong uni. i am a first timer in shanghai and a christian also. the problem is i dont know if there is any church who use an indonesian langguage. i want to find christian indonesian community church in shanghai, can anybody help me with this? i dont have friends in there also so it will be very hard for me to find the church. also if there is any international church near jiao tong i would gladly receive advices from you. help me please.

sincerely,
chris

Posted by: christiandy on August 27, 2004 7:28 PM

hello chris do u find the church already in shanghai? cause i', also indonesian want to study at shangahi as well, but currently i still don't have any idea which church i can go, anyway if u have an e-mail we can contact each other further more...
thanks

Ari

Posted by: Ari on September 15, 2004 10:18 AM

hello ari, already i have found indonesian church in shanghai. but it depends what religion are you on?
are you catholic or christian? christian also divided into several types (according to my knowledge). one of them is charismatic for example, GBI(Gereja Bethel Indonesia), GPDI (Gereja Pantekosta di Indonesia) or there is non charismatic, like GKJMB(Gereja jemaat Mangga Besar), or Stephen Tong church, i forgot what's the name of it.
if you want more information, please give me your e-mail address and the i will contact
you and send all the information i have regarding the chruch you want.
dont worry, there sre indonesian community chruch in shanghai..
GBU

Posted by: christiandy on September 16, 2004 10:01 PM

Hallo Christiandy & Ari,

Tolong imel saya di jiscas@yahoo.com. Saya juga cari gereja di Shanghai utk kakak saya. Thanks! GBU!

Posted by: Jisca on October 19, 2004 9:37 PM

Hallo Ari & Christiandy,

please e-mail me at jiscas@yahoo.com. Saya jg cari gereja di Shanghai (bhs Indo atau Inggris) yg suasananya hidup (tdk terlalu tradisional atau liturgis ketat). Thanks & God bless!

Posted by: Jisca on October 19, 2004 9:43 PM

Hallo sekalian.

My family and I are moving to Shanghai for 2 years assignment in Jan. 2005. We are originally from Indonesia (saya dari Medan, dan istri dari Jakarta). We like to find out about the Indonesian Church, preferrably GKJMB. Can I get more information about the Church there. Also is there an Indonesian Community in Shanghai?

Thanx in advance.

Posted by: Ehud Oentung on November 10, 2004 4:56 AM

Hi,

I'm also indonesian planning to move there midyear. Can I get any contact from anybody?

Please email me :)

Posted by: Dody Antonu (external link) on February 10, 2005 1:50 AM

Post to the newly opened (but not announced) BBS? http://bbs.wangjianshuo.com

Posted by: Jian Shuo Wang (external link) on February 12, 2005 12:05 AM

Man, you're not missing much. catholics don't believe in 'God', they believe in 'god', as in an empty institution that used to have a connection to the Almighty, but now is left holding faltering faith, and half-baked sincerity.

Posted by: S on February 15, 2005 9:37 PM

Hi, i'm an indonesian. I just arrived in Shanghai last week for school. I found this page in coincidence. I'm a christian and i'm also looking for christian church, preferrably in indonesian. Could anyone help me to find one? Please contact me. My email address is vellina@hotmail.com
Thank's a lot!

Posted by: velly on March 6, 2005 1:45 AM

Hi...I will be in China March 22-April 9th. I am a Christian musician and, if I can borrow a guitar, would like to give concerts or play for other Christians while I am there. If no guitar, I can play harmonica while someone plays piano or even by myself. I have an Easter song that I hope to be able to share. I will be in Beijing, Shanghai for Easter, overnight in Guilin then Hongkong. I will also be in Bangkok for several days. I am on our church's website in Taos, NM USA under Our Church @ Worship playing guitar. I would also like to visit with Christians while in China.

Posted by: Jeo on March 8, 2005 1:05 AM

Hi, I would like to know church in Guangzhou, is there any indonesian christian community or indonesian church there? Because I have a plann to study there. Thanks a lot. God bless!!

Posted by: Ida on March 16, 2005 11:54 AM

Hi,
I'm a Christian in Shanghai ^^ . I'd like to know if there's english-speaking or indonesian church in shanghai. Pls help , my email is ck3dju@hotmail.com. Thank you!!! Btw , neat website :)

Posted by: ellen on April 3, 2005 12:46 AM

我现在在泰国,如果我要在这个教堂实习,怎么办?

Posted by: 林木兰 on May 18, 2005 6:39 PM

Hi to all of you! God's blessing with you!!
I am a medical student from Germany (Muenster), who's planning his final year of studies. In the year of 2006 (Febr-July) I will do my clinical electives in Shanghai.
For this time I search evangelical Christians out there to be close together in Christ. Maybe we'll worship together (I play piano and I can sing) or ...
I you have informations for me, feel free to contact me

Best regards and God bless you all
James

Posted by: James on July 28, 2005 5:41 PM

Hi, I travel often to Shanghai on business (I'll be there again in September) and would like to meet with other Christians for fellowship. I'm also looking for a Christian church in Shanghai. Please contact me with any info.

Thanks,

Kevin

Posted by: Kevin on August 29, 2005 2:09 AM

would you please advise your whole address in HOng Kong. By the way, would you please let me know whether there is any adult fellowship in your church on Saturday. Is there any fellowship which is cantonese speaking.

Cindy

Posted by: Cindy Wong on September 27, 2005 1:22 PM

Keen to meet some college student or some interested couple with some time in 23 to 26 oct 2005 to know more abut Shanghai. We are a Christian chinese couple in the near retirement age from Singapore Frankly read so much negative and dishonest remarks in the net that i hope to meet sincere and honest Chinese which i am sure that there are many in Shanghai to know more abut china business, christians, education, shopping and culture etc. will return hospitality when you come to Singapore and I will personally you bring around . i have given this "hospitality exchange" to same minded person from other countries in singapore. pls reply your advice.like to go a chinese english speaking bible study group.
pls reply your advice

thanks for the great help.

roland boh

Posted by: roland boh on October 1, 2005 3:38 PM

Hi everyone,
I joint shanghai community church on Hengshan rd for 2+yrs and were blessed especially with their groups. check their website to get more info www.sccenglish.com , you can contact each group's leader to locate their cells in every part of shanghai.

I'm also an Indonesian in Shanghai and heard there is a GRII reformed injili church in hongqiao rd. they have every saturday fellowship .
PRII Shanghai Persekutuan: Sabtu jam 10 pagi
Gembala Sidang: Rev Nico Ong
Contact: Ibu Meinica (86-21-64012600) Ibu Lisa (86-21-62682833)

for indonesian organization in shanghai you can contact IBAS , www.indosnet.com

Posted by: Hanna on October 13, 2005 2:09 PM

O btw, anyone wishes to contact me can reach me through email :
hannakristina@yahoo.com , please subject : christians in shanghai otherwise i'll treat unrecognize mails as junks ( virus prevention )

Posted by: Hanna on October 13, 2005 2:15 PM

Dear Ida,


I'm also Indonesian who live in Guangzhou now for work, you can find the Catholic church in Yi De Lu, it's located near Zhu Jiang river, they only have Sunday masses with english activities every 15.30, if you have any question u can contact me at 13631338783, do you have e-mail address?? maybe we can contact each other because I came here 3 months ago and still looking for Indonesian friends, maybe you can contact me or send me e-mail also at w2k_86@yahoo.com.cn, than'x


Best Wishes in Christ,


Wendy Wirawan

Posted by: Wendy Wirawan on October 23, 2005 11:44 PM

I'm Malaysian & , God willing, would be visiting Shanghai. Would be interested to attend a Chinese church as well as an Indonesian one (Bahasa Malaysia seakan-akan sama dengan Bahasa Indonesia). I recommend this book "The Heavenly Man" by Brother Yun, a leader from the underground church. You can check this website: "http://heavenlyman.com/"

Posted by: Daniel Boey on November 3, 2005 12:56 AM

Hey,

Me and my husband will be relocating to Shanghai this coming february. I was just wondering if anyone knows of any Seventh Day Advesntist Churches in Shanghai, preferably in english...

Please help...we are a bit bummed about not knowing what church we will be going to. I have seen pics on the advestist website from an adventist church in shanghai but there is no address, and i have not been able to find it.

Thaks for any help

Posted by: Renee on November 17, 2005 4:34 AM

Hi!
I want to know more about underground churches in Shanghai- please email me if you know anything!!!!!!! Greatful of any help or advice!

Posted by: anlei on November 18, 2005 6:25 PM

Hello i'm indonesian student studying in guangzhou, anybody know any information regarding about indonesian church in guangzhou... please kindly inform me thanks...GB

Posted by: project_zero on February 5, 2006 3:29 PM

Hi I'm stefanny n want to give all indonesian student who study in guangzhou ji nan da shue n christien,now have new born of indonesia chruch pls contact in this email Stefanny_tan@yahoo.com God Bless u all..amin

Posted by: stefanny on February 24, 2006 1:08 AM

Hi I'm stefanny n want to give new information for all indonesian's student who study in guangzhou ji nan da shue n christien,now have new born of indonesia chruch pls contact in this email stefanny_tan@yahoo.com God Bless u all..amin

Posted by: stefanny on February 24, 2006 1:13 AM

Hi... I'm going to Shanghai next week and stay for quite bit long...
May I know is there any Indonesian Church (Bethel/charismatic) in Shanghai?
Please advise me at vivica20@yahoo.com.
I do need your kind information since several times I went to chinese church and not really enjoyed it.
Thanks in advance.
GBU (^_^)

Posted by: sisca on June 6, 2006 12:03 PM

so amazing there are so many people interested in this...
just can not understand why foreigners and citizens are seperated into two parts for praying or confession...
why not mixed together...?
confusing, these days, always confusing...
anyway, thanks for the information...

Posted by: artemis (external link) on June 7, 2006 7:23 PM

Hi,
In Hengshan Internation community, there is an english service, but not for local chineses, aw... 2 services actually. one starts at 2pm and the second at 4pm every sunday. if you need any info or address just cklick here [ www.sccenglish.com ]. It's cool there.

Posted by: Er on July 19, 2006 2:53 PM

Dear All,

My name is Francisco Herrera, wanted to get in touch with Jian Shuo Wang. I am a Christian man, actually young, and God is sending me to make business to your Country and Shanghai City, but mainly with a Christian purpose in order to see by myself our brother's and sister's in God's life in China. I was working and decided to find a Church that I can go when I am there and find this page and suddenly I know where to go and maybe who to meet there and I am so happy.

I will be from September 11th till 22nd evening, hope you Jian Shou Wang could e-mail me, and of course as a Son of God any other who wants to hear from me and from our life at Chile as Christians of course you are welcome in the name of our Beloved Jesus Christ.

Blesses to everyone, Francisco H.B.

Posted by: Francisco Herrera Barnachea (Chile) (external link) on August 29, 2006 6:52 AM

Hi Francisco, welcome to my blog. I typically don't honor email back request on this blog (as you may understand). Hope you have a great time in Shanghai.

Posted by: Jian Shuo Wang (external link) on August 29, 2006 11:57 PM

thanks, any way, for you to know, in my web site www.southernp.cl I will post a link to "The Love is Worth Finding" that is a Christian Ministery that I want you to please spread to everyone, it is so much appreciated message in english speaking people.

I am in shanghai from three days ago, and have deliverd the message to the first person.

Blesses, Fran

Posted by: Francisco Herrera Barnachea (Chile) (external link) on September 15, 2006 9:03 AM

Hi,

my husband and i have been relocated to shanghai from Malaysia and would like to attend a church (charismatic) . Do you have any contact, please let me know.

Thanks a lot!

Florence

Posted by: Florence on November 11, 2006 2:00 PM

I will be relocating to Shanghai and I am from Singapore. Like Florence, I would like to attend a Charismatic Church (eg hillsong, new creation) does anyone know of such Churches in Shanghai? Please post the name to the church.

Thanks and God bless

Posted by: Christine on November 29, 2006 1:20 AM

shaloom....iam from indonesia i need some body to help me for fine the churh ( kharismatik, teberias or bethany) iam staying in podung area...thank you for you help me, if you free you can call me 134.72797834, or send sms...bye

Posted by: chuita on November 29, 2006 4:54 PM

I am from Singapore too and like Florence and Christine, I will like to attend a charismatic church like Hillsong or New Creation. (I am currently attending New Creation Church in Singapore)

I will move to Shanghai in March 07.

Posted by: Terence on December 13, 2006 9:59 AM

SHALLOM guys,...

FOr those (indonesian) who like to find a church in guangzhou, i got the latest updated news for ya all.... its in the Jinan university every sunday at 10.00 am.
the contact person is Marthin SC ( +86 134 341 86876 ) add me using msn if u want : msciputra@hotmail.com

Posted by: Marthin SC on February 17, 2007 12:38 PM

SHALLOM guys,...

FOr those (indonesian) who like to find a church in guangzhou, i got the latest updated news for ya all.... its in the Jinan university every sunday at 10.00 am.
the contact person is Marthin SC ( +86 134 341 86876 ) add me using msn if u want : msciputra@hotmail.com

Posted by: Marthin SC on February 17, 2007 12:39 PM

hello....
im looking for a christian church, ill be in Shanghai for a few months and would love to find a good place to tie into. Im 23, just got here a few days ago and i dont know anyone, so if you can chat or point me in the right direction it would be a bit help :)
thanks
Greg
gjohnsonmodel@gmail.com

Posted by: Greg on March 3, 2007 8:13 PM

hello....
im looking for a christian church, ill be in Shanghai for a few months and would love to find a good place to tie into. Im 23, just got here a few days ago and i dont know anyone, so if you can chat or point me in the right direction it would be a big help :)
thanks
Greg
gjohnsonmodel@gmail.com

Posted by: Greg on March 3, 2007 8:15 PM

Hello,

I am Chinese from a Christian family , has moved from Fujian to Shanghai for more than 1 years now. I feel more comfortable to read the Bible with English Version, used to attend English Bible Study Group in Fuzhou weekly, and was trying for find an English Bible Study Group since arrived Shanghai. But English Services in Hengshan International Church are only open for Foreign Passport Holders. It should be appreciated if anyone can advice me a place for English Bible Study.

Thanks in advance !

Lucy
wulexin@hotmail.com

Posted by: Lucy Wu on April 13, 2007 11:52 AM

I know that many foreigners want to learn chinese culture or art .we are in service .I am a 24 year old female who graduated from the teacher’s university, my major is teaching Chinese as foreign language. And I am available to tutor mandarin in the Shanghai area ,I can go to teach you at your home or office, I also have my own classroom.In the past 4 years, I have been worked at several Chinese training centres. I also have been hired by 2 big foreign capital companies as their mandarin teacher. So,if you are interested in learning mandarin, welcome to contact me at mandarinfiona@yahoo.com.cn ,also,you can contact me at 13918358891(Ms yang)

Posted by: rebacca on May 14, 2007 7:08 PM

Hi! Am a seventh day Adventist Christian and I'm having a problem locating our church in Guangzhou! I will appreciate your assistance! Call me at 13533500230

Posted by: Res on June 10, 2007 4:07 PM

Hi,

I am Indonesian Chinese yet has been staying in Singapore for quite years and now has relocate to Shanghai for two years (with my husband). Just arrived few days ago.
I would like to find out about the Indonesian Church. Can I get more information about the Church there. Also is there an Indonesian Community in Shanghai?

Posted by: Annie on July 3, 2007 5:04 PM

Hi, This is Annie

I am also Indonesian, and just arrived at Shanghai two days ago. Will be staying here for 2 years.
We like to find out about the Indonesian Church. Can I get more information about the Church there. Also is there an Indonesian Community in Shanghai?


Great Thanks,

Posted by: Annie Zhou on July 3, 2007 5:10 PM

Annie,

My wife and I are originally from Indo, currently we host Cell Group in Shanghai. We attend Shanghai Community Church. There are several Indonesian Churches in Shanghai. You may contact us pwob_dc@yahoo.com

Posted by: Ehud Oentung (external link) on July 30, 2007 4:35 PM

well! I thanks jesus for every thing."JESUS CAN DO ANY THING " so you have not talked by god. every thing have its own time

Posted by: Nitsuwork Fekadu (external link) on September 1, 2007 8:58 PM

Hi Jian Shuo, I intend to visit the Shanghai International Community Church when I'm in town next weekend. I'm planning to attend the Sunday morning Chinese service. Do you know what the duration of the service is?

Thanks!

Posted by: Ling on September 4, 2007 2:46 PM

I am a Chinese first, and a Catholic second.
I will not make any apologies for that.
I know that my religion's expectations sometimes conflict with my country's needs.
Whenever it happens, I will always choose the path that my conscience allow.
A country like China sometimes cannot afford the many liberties many other countries take for granted. Perhaps one day we can. But for now I am willing to make that sacrifice.
If China falls, no religion is going to, or can save us.
If we fail, I rather we be responsible for it than some cockamamie advice from some distant holy mafia.
We have been waiting for this for a long time.
This is the century for China and nobody is going to take away OUR destiny.

Posted by: Wonton on September 13, 2007 7:14 PM

Relax WONTON no one is trying to take anything away from you - GOD gives us all the freedom of choice... relax take it easy..

Posted by: Jo on November 30, 2007 9:41 PM

Apologise for that silly post. Can't even remember what pissed me off to write something like that. heh heh. Anyways, you can't say grace without food on the table.

Posted by: wonton on December 4, 2007 1:33 PM

Hi Wonton...i am a guy,26,i am an evangelic christian, i am from Italy and i read your last comment...
I only would like to say that is not true that "you can not say grace without food on the table",because God will provide the food for us,even if you can not see the food on your table, if you really believe in God,you have to pray Him and for sure, God will provide what you need!

It's written that even the flowers of the fields are dressed up and the birds of the sky have food...and we are much more important than them to God's eyes...

I hope these words could be usefull for your faith.

That God could bless you Wonton.

Marco


Posted by: Marco on December 5, 2007 10:42 AM

@wonton - I couldn't imagine you being pissed off?? :D

Posted by: AussiePB on December 5, 2007 12:48 PM

@AussiePB: Sometimes you have to forgive me for simply being an ass. I still feel the same way but I don't think I needed to sound like I was leading the way to the Bastille.

Posted by: wonton on December 5, 2007 4:50 PM

@Marco : Thank you for your kind wishes... well, I guess I should be grateful...but I doubt my wife's cooking is what God intended me to be grateful for...or at least what she done to the stuff he provided ! heh heh heh...wait till she sees this !

Posted by: wonton on December 5, 2007 5:38 PM

hello, looking for the address of the seventhday adventist church in beijing, and church hours

Posted by: zee on January 18, 2008 12:02 AM

Hi,my fiance is a catholic from the United States,he 's looking for a real catholic church (not a patrotic catholic church) in Shanghai,if anyone here know there's one in Shanghai,please let me know the address ,thanks very much!May peace be with you!

Posted by: vivienne on January 30, 2008 10:22 PM

Sorry, I can't resist...heh heh, can anybody help Vivienne look for an UNpatrotic catholic church in China ????

Posted by: wonton on February 9, 2008 10:45 PM

i'm a filipino and i'm currently in shanghai until the middle of next week. any filipino christian fellowship i can worship with tomorrow morning? I have to work after lunch. thanks.

Posted by: ruel on March 1, 2008 7:34 AM

I sometimes go to the (English service at 2 pm) Int'l Community Church that you discuss and although I like the atmosphere I find it to be only a shadow of what a church service is like in the US. My denomination (Unitarians) are not allowed to have a church in Shanghai - in fact all Protestant denominations are forced to use this one church in Shanghai - so the services are so generic that it is unsatisfying. On top of it being generic (compromised) the preachers are not allowed to discuss current affairs and how they are connected to religion or spirituality - so the sermons are awfully dull. I think it is awful that Shanghai's gov;t is so restrictive on the free expression of religion and it gives me the feeling that Shanghai lacks a soul.

Posted by: Jay Casey on March 1, 2008 11:45 PM

I am born and living in shanghai,I am Chinese and I am christian,often go to hengshan road church,like make foreign christian friends know each other and learn bible and enjoy life in shanghai if we can be good friend.
My msn:jane_love221@hotmail.com

JANE

Posted by: jane on March 4, 2008 4:23 PM

I am a Christian( Church Of Christ).we have a group in ShenZhen.Welcome everyone who are interested in Bible. In Him.

Posted by: Maomao on March 9, 2008 12:35 PM

MSN, maomao_onlyyou@hotmail.com

Posted by: maomao on March 9, 2008 12:38 PM

Dear Friends,
I am looking for Charismatic Church in Shanghai.Would so much thankful, if You could suggest me some, because i want to bing my GF closer to Jesus!
Looking forward to Your message to my mailbox - janisdonis81@yahoo.com

Posted by: JJ on June 21, 2008 11:44 PM

hi. i am looking for a seventh day adevntist church in Shanghai. if you could give me the adress, i will be very happy. God bless you.

Posted by: Larissa on July 26, 2008 1:10 AM

Hi there!! I am coming to Shanghai for two years and would like some recommendations for good Christian church: international, baptist, charismatic or SDA, please. Hope to hear from you soon!!

Posted by: Karen van Voorst on August 12, 2008 8:13 AM

hai.. God bless u all
maby its sounds boring or to many people asking for this question or maby someone already answered it, just want to ask is there anyone know charasmatic protestant church in shanghai? for 8months im looking for this church but cant find any
please let me know directly to my email : esther_72gar@hotmail.com
love to take my 7months baby David to sunday school
or anyone know where i can find bible study for childrens? i know my son only 7 months but i love to take him to know more bout his saviour Jesus Christ, and know more bout christian songs

many thanks n GBu all,
*esther

Posted by: esther on August 16, 2008 10:09 PM
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